{"id":1065,"date":"2020-02-18T17:31:20","date_gmt":"2020-02-18T16:31:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.futura-sciences.com\/lehning\/?p=1065"},"modified":"2020-03-03T14:58:44","modified_gmt":"2020-03-03T13:58:44","slug":"les-vestiges-de-la-base-vingt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.futura-sciences.com\/lehning\/2020\/02\/18\/les-vestiges-de-la-base-vingt\/","title":{"rendered":"Les vestiges de la base vingt"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>La fa\u00e7on de dire les nombres en fran\u00e7ais a des variantes locales. Ainsi comment doit-on lire, ou \u00e9crire en toutes lettres, le nombre 283\u00a0? La logique du fran\u00e7ais voudrait\u00a0: deux cent huitante-trois\u2026 pourtant cela ne s\u2019\u00e9crit ainsi que dans certaines r\u00e9gions de l\u2019Est de la France et dans quelques cantons suisses. Les Belges pr\u00e9f\u00e8rent\u00a0: deux cent octante-trois et la majorit\u00e9 des Fran\u00e7ais, comme des Canadiens\u00a0: deux cent quatre-vingt-trois. Ces quatre-vingts viendraient d\u2019une ancienne fa\u00e7on de compter en usage autrefois en France et dont nous aurions h\u00e9rit\u00e9 des Celtes. En effet, on la retrouve en Bretagne comme au pays de Galles et en Irlande. Le principe est partout le m\u00eame, il s\u2019agit d\u2019un usage partiel de la base vingt. Il nous en reste le quatre-vingts de nos comptes mais aussi un h\u00f4pital parisien\u00a0: celui des Quinze-Vingts, fond\u00e9 par saint Louis (1214\u00a0\u2013\u00a01270) pour accueillir 15 fois 20, c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire 300, v\u00e9t\u00e9rans aveugles. Il est toujours sp\u00e9cialis\u00e9 en ophtalmologie.<\/p>\n<h2>Des traces chez Moli\u00e8re &#8230;<\/h2>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1068\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1068\" style=\"width: 252px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1068\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.futura-sciences.com\/lehning\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/13\/2019\/12\/moliere-252x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"252\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.futura-sciences.com\/lehning\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/13\/2019\/12\/moliere-252x300.jpg 252w, https:\/\/blogs.futura-sciences.com\/lehning\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/13\/2019\/12\/moliere-768x915.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogs.futura-sciences.com\/lehning\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/13\/2019\/12\/moliere.jpg 839w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 252px) 100vw, 252px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1068\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Portrait de Moli\u00e8re (1622 &#8211; 1673)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Cette fa\u00e7on de compter se retrouvait autrefois plus souvent qu\u2019aujourd\u2019hui, ainsi, dans <em>L\u2019avare<\/em> de Moli\u00e8re, \u00e0 la sc\u00e8ne 5 de l\u2019acte II, Frosine dit \u00e0 Harpagon\u00a0:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\"><em>Par ma foi\u00a0! Je disais cent ans\u00a0; mais vous passerez les six vingts.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Six vingts signifiait 120. Pour 100 cependant, Frosine ne dit pas cinq vingts.<\/p>\n<h2>&#8230; Et chez Victor Hugo<\/h2>\n<p>Dans <em>Notre-Dame de Paris<\/em>, Victor Hugo (1802\u00a0\u2013\u00a01885) nous fait d\u00e9couvrir une autre trace de ce syst\u00e8me quand il relate l\u2019assaut de Notre-Dame par les truands (au livre X, chapitre 4)\u00a0:<\/p>\n<p><em>Clopin Trouillefou, arriv\u00e9 devant le haut portail de Notre-Dame, avait en effet rang\u00e9 sa troupe en bataille. Quoiqu\u2019il ne s\u2019attend\u00eet \u00e0 aucune r\u00e9sistance, il voulait, en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral prudent, conserver un ordre qui lui perm\u00eet de faire front au besoin contre une attaque subite du guet ou des onze vingts.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Au Moyen-\u00c2ge, les onze vingts \u00e9taient un corps de police de 11 fois 20, c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire 220, membres.<\/p>\n<h2>Que dit la grammaire (d&#8217;\u00e9poque) ?<\/h2>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1072\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1072\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1072 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.futura-sciences.com\/lehning\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/13\/2019\/12\/grammaire-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.futura-sciences.com\/lehning\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/13\/2019\/12\/grammaire-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/blogs.futura-sciences.com\/lehning\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/13\/2019\/12\/grammaire-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/blogs.futura-sciences.com\/lehning\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/13\/2019\/12\/grammaire.jpg 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1072\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">La grammaire des grammaires de Charles-Pierre Girault-Duvivier.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Cet usage de compter par vingtaines \u00e9tait alors plus g\u00e9n\u00e9ral que le montre ces quelques vestiges, comme Charles-Pierre Girault-Duvivier (1765\u00a0\u2013\u00a01832) le note dans sa <em>grammaire des grammaires<\/em>\u00a0:<\/p>\n<p><em>Six vingts vieillit\u00a0; on dit plus ordinairement cent-vingt\u00a0; on disait encore dans le si\u00e8cle pass\u00e9 sept vingts ans, huit vingts ans\u00a0: depuis six ou sept vingts ans que l\u2019\u00e9glise calvinienne a commenc\u00e9 (Bossuet) \u2013 Des femmes enceintes au nombre de huit vingts et plus \u2013 l\u2019Acad\u00e9mie ne condamnait pas autrefois cette mani\u00e8re de s\u2019exprimer, et en permettait l\u2019usage jusqu\u2019\u00e0 dix-neuf vingts en excluant seulement deux vingts, trois vingts, cinq vingts et dix vingts.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Une fois admis ce compte particulier en vingtaine pour la quatri\u00e8me, il est logique de continuer jusqu\u2019au seuil de la cinqui\u00e8me, c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire jusqu\u2019\u00e0 99. Nonante est ainsi devenu quatre-vingts dix, \u00e9crit depuis quatre-vingt-dix. En revanche, en Belgique, 90 est rest\u00e9 nonante sauf pour parler du roman de Victor Hugo\u00a0: <em>Quatre-vingt Treize<\/em>. Une \u00e9tranget\u00e9 reste et concerne le pluriel mis \u00e0 vingt. On \u00e9crit quatre-vingts mais quatre-vingt-un et non quatre-vingts et un comme le voudrait l\u2019imitation des cas de vingt \u00e0 soixante, de plus vingt perd son pluriel et se trouve au singulier alors que le nombre a augment\u00e9\u00a0! Ce probl\u00e8me de choix ou non du pluriel est bien singulier\u00a0!<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<!-- AddThis Advanced Settings generic via filter on the_content --><!-- AddThis Share Buttons generic via filter on the_content -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>La fa\u00e7on de dire les nombres en fran\u00e7ais a des variantes locales. Ainsi comment doit-on lire, ou \u00e9crire en toutes lettres, le nombre 283\u00a0? La logique du fran\u00e7ais voudrait\u00a0: deux cent huitante-trois\u2026 pourtant cela ne s\u2019\u00e9crit ainsi que dans certaines r\u00e9gions de l\u2019Est de la France et dans quelques cantons suisses. 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